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THE INFORMATION BELOW IS FROM MARCH 2010 REPUBLICAN PARTY PRIMARY BALLOT. THERE ARE NO STATEWIDE PROPOSITIONS ON THE NOVEMBER 2010 BALLOT. THERE MAY BE LOCAL PROPOSITIONS IN YOUR AREA. CHECK WITH YOUR COUNTY FOR SUCH INFORMATION.
We have been receiving questions on this so we have this list here so people will know that the propositions that some people are asking about, are the one’s below and they are from an old election, not the Nov. 2010 election.
Ballot Proposition #1: Photo ID-The Texas legislature should make it a priority to protect the integrity of our election process by enacting legislation that requires voters to provide valid photo identification in order to cast a ballot in any and all elections conducted in the State of Texas. YES OR NO
Ballot Proposition #2: Controlling Government Growth-Every government body in Texas should be required to limit any annual increase in its budget andspending to the combined increase of population and inflation unless it first gets voter approval to exceed the allowed annual growth or in the case of an official emergency. YES OR NO
Ballot Proposition #3: Cutting Federal Income Taxes-In addition to aggressively eliminating irresponsible federal spending, Congress should empowerAmerican citizens to stimulate the economy by Congress cutting federal income taxes for all federaltaxpayers, rather than spending hundreds of billions of dollars on so-called “federal economic stimulus”. YES OR NO
Ballot Proposition #4: Public Acknowledgement of God-The use of the word “God”, prayers, and the Ten Commandments should be allowed at public gatherings and public educational institutions, as well as be permitted on government buildings and propoerty. YES OR NO
Ballot Proposition #5: Sonograms-The Texas Legislature should enact legislation requiring a sonogram to be performed and shown to each mother about to undergo a medically unnecessary, elective abortion. YES OR NO
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Amen to Proposition 4!
Ballot item on whether the method now vested in a small committee should have the right to unilaterally decide content, deletions, additions, etc of school text books without public debate and referendum by voters of Texas
AMEN for Proposition 4, it is about time! Vote YES!
It is so entertaining to see extreme liberals resort to name calling to try to make their point. It also entertaining that they are such big fans of our blog!
How does God in public equal God intermingling with Government? Quick a desperate leap your taking. What you really want is to ban all public expressions of God, right? People should be forced to pray in a closet in their home, that’s your view, correct?
thank you…
bwl
YES TO PROP 4!! GOD IS SOVERIGN!!
We are a nation based on christian values and what is wrong with recognizing that fact. Yes, we allow freedom of religion. However, that does not mean we ignore our history.
Those who express opposition to this matter either do not understand the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution or they don’t believe in our constitution. Eitherway, they take the stance of opposition to freedom and in favor of tyranny by government. Hooray for Prop 4!
The real loons think we should work so we can give our hard earned money to people who don’t want to work. The real loons think if they can get GOD removed from public places, HE won’t exist and then they won’t be punished for their wrong doing. The real loons are the ones who vote for and continue to support Obama even after he said on national TV. that the reason he does not salute the Flag is because he does not want to appear to take sides. And what may I ask would be wrong with a President to be on the side of the country he is President of? Yes to PROP 4, IT IS A START DOWN THE ROAD TO SANITY.
Yes,to proposition #4. This country was founded on the belief in God!! Look at all the problems that has arisen in the schools since he has been forbidden!!!!
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As a good conservative quasi-libertarian I would be dead set against all of these. The constitution already allows for #2, #3 & #4 to be responsibly controlled by our elected officials. I have seen the problems with #1 and that will be a nightmare. And #5 involves government in personal decisions and yet says nothing about limiting funding of abortions. The language is far too loose and full of un-defined conditions thus allowing bureaucratic finageling in our lives.
Let’s get government less in our lives rather than adding to the debatable value of more regulation. And we should all demand the right we already have…to enjoy religious freedom without interference of a State-directed religion.
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I vote yes to leave God in our Schools, and government, I’m a Christian, and
strongly believe God is in Control,and he created everything, and God is the
one who give’s us the Blessing’s we have.
Vote YES to Prop. #4. Sharing our Religious Values verbally in public? Wow, what a controversy. The real controversy is the laws which violate our constitutional rights to speak of Him. Regulation of speech, what a ridiculous waste of money.
YES, I Firmly believe that God should be allowed and acknowledged in every PUBLIC area-School functions, Government functions, etc. We as Christian’s have to stand up, and not let the little percent that do not believe in a higher power, to take control of this great nation. YES, YES, YES!!!!!!
I don’t live in Texas any more, but if I did, I would certainly vote YES on prop 4. I do believe in the freedom OF religion, not the freedom FROM religion. Some seem to get that mixed up. HOWEVER, at the same time, I believe that if one were to live in a predominately Muslim community, it would also be constitutionally correct and allowable for them to put Muslim icons up, and to speak of “Allah” in public. Freedom is freedom, no mater who you do (or don’t) pray to.
Only in Texas would all the propositions proposed be totally lacking in any relevance or logic.
Yes to Prop.4, but if we claim His name, we need to be good ambasadors of that name. Jesus said that you can judge a tree by its fruit. What kind of tree are you?
I don’t understand why there is a Ballot Prop #4!
The government should not support or prohibit the proclamation of God. consider Article 3 of the Bill of rights…below:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”
The mention of God or affixing of scripture should most certainly be permitted. Why should another law be voted on when the Bill of rights is already clear. All men should be free to speak their religious beliefs.
Pastor Rick Carter
Most definetly YES to Proposition #4
If we do not put “God” into our Country; why should we ask for “God’s” help when we need it? YES to Proposition 4! This could be a “Start”! Again, “YES to Proposition 4!
YES to Proposition #4
If we vote Yes for Proposition 4 and keep GOD in our every day lives/functions as we are suppose to, there may be less need to perform Proposition 5. Think about it….
Proposition 4 – YES
Proposition 5 – YES
It’s liberal loons such as this loon that has gotten our country in such a mess.
And to Jean, I say, leave Texas if you can’t be supportive of our moral values and conservative views.
I believe in God and I believe He should be honored in everything we do in this country. If you don’t like freedom of religion, go live in Cuba!
YES YES YES on #4
Yes,yes to all the propositions. Plain and simple “As for me and my household we shall serve thy God”
“pastor” Rick missed it..shall not establish a’religion’..GOD is left for you to “interpt’..a Christian GOD, a catholic, mormon, muslin.budist or whatever. YOu decide yes/no..I vote YES for GOD.
Yes To Proposition 4, its long overdue
I fully support any bill that acknowledges that GOD is appropriate anywhere in the USA.
Vote YES to
Prop 4!
This is a Red State, thank God, and anyone who doesn’t like it should leave.
Does no one also believe that a voter should be a CITIZEN of the Republic? I DO ! We have a voter registration system in the Republic that allows MILLIONS of illegal votes to be cast as this country is flooded with law breaking border crossers. I will always respect respect our laws – they do not. We need to stop them from illegally voting until they respect our constitution and laws.
They shouldn’t have ever got rid of that saying,,,God is our prosperity so when the goverment did away with his name in the systems our whole nation went down into proverty.
Good luck getting that passed successfully. If passed it will be ruled as unconstitutional under the US Constitution and be struck down. You can count on that.
By who? Even the ACLU is smart enough to know such a case is a loser. Numerous courts have already upheld such. Your scare tactics don’t work anymore.
Sorin-you are incorrect. Public acknowledgements of God, 10 Commandments, etc. are absolutely constitutional. See the Texas case of Van Orden v. Perry. In 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the existence and placement of six foot tall 10 Commandments monuments on the grounds of the Texas Capitol. The 10 Commandments monument is still there today will never be removed due to the finality of the U.S. Supreme Court decision.
That’s a big reason why i went to law school, so i could so easily expose false information.
Say yes to 4 God is the creator of everything. His word says aknowledge me before man and i will aknowledge you before my Father disown me and Ill disown you.
Thank God for prop #4. I believe we need to keep God in our schools with our children at all times!!! Not getting wrote up for saying grace before eating their lunch. We place our hand on The Holy Bible before we get questioned in a court trial. We need to spread the good word of God each and every day. Not “hide” it or be ashamed of it.
God bless!!
I vote yes for proposition 4!
As good as it may sound to some Proposition 4 is unconstitutional and would be a direct violation of First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.All of our Republican officials know this ,even if the general population does not. I think it is a mean spirited and disingenuous way to market the party at the expense of someone’s beliefs. It is a bit like dangling candy in front of a diabetic child and asking if they want it. I would feel better if they made the point more clear to the voters that as long as we are part of the U.S. we will always have separation of church and state.
Candi- you are incorrect. Public acknowledgements of God, 10 Commandments, etc. are absolutely constitutional. See the Texas case of Van Orden v. Perry. In 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the existence and placement of six foot tall 10 Commandments monuments on the grounds of the Texas Capitol. The 10 Commandments monument is still there today will never be removed due to the finality of the U.S. Supreme Court decision.
That’s a big reason why i went to law school, so i could so easily expose false information like yours.
Congress shall make no law RESPECTING an ESTABLISHMENT of religion. This is a bad marketing stunt pretending that this might fly in a country that by law has seperation of church and state.The Constitution forbids it and the Supreme court ruled it unconstitutional in 1962 which is the reason that this is nonbinding and can’t change any laws.It’s a poll not a ballot!
Your comments lack support. A public acknowledgdement of God has nothing to do with the “state.” Why do you favor censorship of free speech in public?
Also, No law or U.S. Supreme court case has upheld the strict “separation of church and state.” I am sorry you have fallen victim to repeating incorrect phrases or policies that have been stated by others incorrectly.
What scare tactics?
I don’t really care on # 1, the people slighted by this typically non-white and poor.
#2 comes will hit municipalities, services are reduced or slashed (like trash, police and fire departments)
#3 is absolutely meaningless. A yes/no proposition regarding FEDERAL income taxes…
Fascism will be draped in an American Flag and carrying a cross…this is #4.
Why is a Sonogram needed for an unwanted child? Is this to drive the cost up so most people cannot afford it? Are you volunteering to adopt this child or complaining when their parents could need an entitlement program to exist?
Please no kool aid drinkers, you are part of the problem.
I am interested in adopting an a so-called “unwanted” child. So that excuse is put to rest. Anything else?
Even tho it is new century, God is still in control. With all of the money flowing around by hook or crook. People think that this is their God. I wonder sometimes why I am having a hard time even though I try to do the right thing and to love my fellow man the best I can. However, I still believe in the Trinity.
We should acknowledge God at all places and all times.
Who will pay for the sonograms in Proposition No. 5? Will the pregnant women pay out of pocket? Will the health insurance companies pick it up? Will the people of Texas pay for it in the form of a new tax? Any way you go, it sounds to me like a new tax on someone.
If a nonproft organization offers to pay for every single sonogram that is performed under such a law, would that change your mind?
Yes…and yes again!
Please be aware that this are “Republican Party” propositions “ONLY”. Think of them as a survey, they are intended for those voting Republican. Depending on the responses to each then the party can begin the legislative process and have them written into a statued and put before the voting public for a final vote. Remember too, that all registered voters of all party affilations would then have the option of voting for or against.
Mr. Wedel, only “U.S. Citizens” are eligible to vote. The official citizenship of individuals registering “MUST BE FINALIZED” and “NOT” in process. Simply being in a resident status or even a visa do NOT qualify the individual. Your comments are a bid of a stretch. Stop being a codswallop.
Putting “God” on public buildings makes about as much sense as putting “Santa Claus.” Isn’t God just an imaginary construct to teach morality to children? Why do so many adults take it so seriously?
My husband and I both say YES to all five. And, AMEN to those who speak up for our families and children! Praise GOD!!!
All men should be free to speak their religious beliefs.
YES
But government should have nothing to do with supporting or prohibiting the proclamation of God.
You really think that a state that has limited funds should waste money on putting “GOD” on government buildings and government property.
vote yes to #4
Thank God we are given a chance to express how we feel. I believe Texas will be blest if we make a public acknowledgement of God in everything we do. There are so many believers here and I think that is one reason we have been strong in many areas. By all means, YES to propositon #4.
Proposition 4 has some merrit, where as it re-affirms specifically the part of the first amendment where government shall not prohibit the free exercise thereof (of religion), however, it may be nothing more than “feel-good legislation”, for “God” can mean anything to anyone. A REAL protection of the free exercise of religion would allow for the mention of “Jesus” with impunity. Also, as much as Prop. 5 sounds nice to us pro-lifers, it is abhorant to me in the fact that it is government requiring an individual to do something that may be against their will. If we allow government control of or lives for stuff we like, then we are hypocrites for not wanting it for stuff we don’t like. The real answer to stopping abortion is one-to-one relationships where you show genuine love and care to all mankind. You can NOT legislate morality, and in fact it usually has the opposite effect, resulting in people becoming defensive and refusing to change their hearts. Don’t push off on the government what is the Church’s responsibility to minister to people in need.
Logan, with all due respect, we can and do legislative morality everyday. Child pornorgraphy, murder, rape, statutory rape, laws against polygamy, gambling, drugs, etc. We legislate morality all the time. Whoever first made that inaccurate phrase was detached from reality and the law making process.
what happens if #4 does not pass. Will they throw us all into the lion’s den?
No we shouldn’t have God and the ten commandments on government property. The US constitution says that in plain english. If thats allowed, than we need to represent all mythology on the planet. Better yet let’s build the Texas Pantheon and represent all mythical dieties in it to keep people happy. Worked in Rome, till Christians (cough cough) decided it was best to persecute those who refused to convert to monotheism. (thats why we shouldn’t allow it to begin with.)
My question is to which “God” is the word God referring? Religion is very diverse these days. And who is going to choose which God? And lastly where is the division between Church and State gone? I do not see the answer to these questions, therefore I will keep my belief in my God and vote NO!
Is “God” a church? Confused.
YES to Proposition #4: Public Acknowledgement of God-The use of the word “God”, prayers, and the Ten Commandments should be allowed at public gatherings and public educational institutions, as well as be permitted on government buildings and property.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Ballot Proposition #4: Public Acknowledgement of God: I remember as a child we always acknowledged God at the beginning of my class. We push God away and look what happens, 9/11. We blamed God for not stopping that, but look how we live our lives? The earthquake in Haiti, we blame God or why He let this happen? We keep on pushing him away. But it’s funny how he church’s fill up after a tragedy happens. Why not acknowledge God in everything we do? He created us. I know that my ancestors were not from the family of apes, but from Adam & Eve. Keep God in your lives and He will help us through this world, in a world that has gone so haywired. God Bless!
Propositions 1-3 all make sense to me. Proposition 4 is something im going to vote yes to because like someone said just because you act like God doesn’t exist and try to remove him from every aspect of your life, he’s still going to be there. You’d be a fool to think that you can get rid of God. Proposition 5 however makes very little sense, i understand the whole abortion thing. But honestly I think that is between that person and God.
Is a decision between “God and a person” once the child is born? What’s the difference?
I am a Republican; however, I cannot support Prop 4. I think many people on this blog are confused about what it really means. We already have the right to speak freely in public about our religion. It’s called the 1st amendment. History has taught us that mixing religion with government does not yield good results. Look at the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Ayatolla in Iran. Our forefathers had a good reason to want to separate church and state.
Is “God” a church?
Really? You don’t need ID to VOTE? In that case, everyone opposed to these proposed legislations can just show up and prevent anything from passing.
Yes to Ballot Proposition #4: Public Acknowledgement of God.
Why do only the Repub’s get to vote on the prop’s? certianly doesnt sound right to me.
Because the Democrat party leadership decided there was nothing important enough to put on the ballot for Democrat primary voters.
Not sure how you compare laws against child porn, murder, rape, etc with a persons right to refuse a medically unnecessary procedure, the sonogram. You may believe abortion is immoral, but it is still legal. Child porn, murder, rape, etc is not.
Child porn, murder and rape are illegal because we voted on them to be illegal through our reps, we legislated morality. Statutory rape is immoral in our society because we have outlawed it. They are morality issues that we as society, and through representative government decided were immoral so we have laws against it. We legislated morality. Some countries and governments do not outlaw these acts. They legislate morality a different way.
You may believe child porn is moral but it’s still illegal. You may snorting cocaine is moral, but it’s illegal. You may believe casino gambling is moral, but it’s illegal in Texas. See the point i am making?
Is there enough room in Texas for one more? I have given up on this liberal swamp, Oregon. I was born here and have lived here for 60 years. It’s heading down and picking up speed. I’m not going to be here for the crash.
Proposition 4 WILL be nullified by the Federal Supreme Court. Engel v. Vitale (1962), McCollum v. Board of Education (1948), Stone v. Graham (1980). Enjoy the “victory” while it lasts. It’s only a matter of time.
You’re incorrect. Read Van Orden v. Perry (2005), a U.S. Supreme Court case from Texas where the USSCT upheld the placement of a 6 foot tall 1O COMMANDMENTS monument on the public property grounds of the Texas Capitol.
Those are old cases. Van orden v. Perry (2005), USSCT approved a SIX FOOT TALL TEN COMMANDMENTS MONUMENT ON THE GROUNDS OF THE TEXAS CAPITOL. YOUR ANALYSIS IS INCORRECT. PLEASE DON’T THINK THAT I WILL ALLOW YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO USE OUR BLOG AS A PLATFORM FOR YOU TO MISLEAD PEOPLE. I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL SPECIFICALLY SO I COULD COUNTER AND CORRECT THESE TYPES OF MISSTATEMENTS.
God –> church (in some cases, depending on the person/religion) –> religion
the overall message here is respect.
I think I see your point, but what I believe that religion is not the only place from where morality comes from. They may reinforce one another, but they are separate. I believe that we learn not to take things without asking is wrong from what we learn from people regardless of their religion, similar with taking a life or pictures of innocent children. What we learn from our environment comes from many different areas including society, school, religion (if we choose to include it in our lives). I am religious, but I also understand that other people are not. It’s their choice just like it was mine, and I don’t believe that they are any less moral than we are. They voted on those laws you talk about too.
As for you comment on democrats, I am not one and I don’t understand why that was posted. To be fair, just because they didn’t put anything up doesn’t mean that some of these propositions are any better.
You asked wy only republicans get to vote on the propositions. The answer is what i said. The Republican party leadership made a decision to put these propositions on the Republican party primary ballot. The Democrat leadership could have done the same thing, but they chose not to.
You can only vote in one party’s primary. So if you vote Democrat, you can’t vote on the props, because they are Republican props.
You do have the right to discuss, pray and display your religious views in public places. That’s what the first amendment is all about. You just don’t have the right to force my child to be taught about your god in a publicly funded institution. As long as your brain-washed kid is the one talking to my kid about god and not the school staff, I’m fine with it. Your child has every right to discuss it. The 1st amendment covers prop 4. This country WAS founded by christians, who believed in freedom of religion, not JUST christianity.
Religious freedom is advanced when Christianity is supported in the public sphere. Why? Inherent in the Christian basis of faith is the importance of individual choice. It is a basic article of faith that everyone must make their own choice in deciding who Christ is.
There are those haters who gnash their teeth at the public expression of the concept of the Judeo-Christian God. They seek to deny the truth of history, and the truth of the universe. I have the superior right to speak this anywhere as anyone. I have the right to speak this as Mayor, Teacher, Construction Worker or Judge. I have the right to speak this in a Church, a Classroom, on a sign, from “the bench”, or in front of Reporters and voters.
Does that infringe on your rights? No. You have the right to turn away, to refuse to listen, to remove or move your child, vote against me, or engage in polite discussion and debate of the topic.
When will we get back to common sense and ignore the real “haters”?
The election is over, proposition 4 passed via a landslide, but I was reading some of the comments posted on this site prior to the elections and felt I needed to say something.
I was raised Catholic, and am currently living with my fiancee which under Catholic beliefs, is a sin, so I simply say I am currently non practicing. However, I still have a basic belief in God. And I believe that most Americans do as well, regardless of their religious offiliation. I also believe that we are NOT the minority and thus under American law, our decision to allow proposition 4 be respected. This country was founded by people with basic Christian beliefs and our Constitution is not up to interpretation. If you REALLY know your Constitution, you know how it was written and what it’s intent and purposes are….end of discussion.
Proposition 4 is blatant violation of the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States. People can vote for this all they want, the second it comes into a Federal courthouse is will be struck down. The separation of Church and State is designed to protect both the State from Religious interference as well as Churches from State interference. This is the same reason that Churches are tax-exempt. In exchange for churches staying out of official political work (i.e., endorsing certain candidates and ballots measures, buying political ad time, etc) they are not charged Federal, State, or Local taxes. It is to protect both institutions as neither one should play a role in the other. Proposition 4 blatantly violates this separation and the fact that it passed so overwhelmingly shows that either the vast majority of the public doesn’t understand the law or they simply don’t care what the Constitution says.
Mr. Hunt, your analysis is incorrect. This issue has come before the USSCT and it was upheld, as the high court approved of a SIX FOOT TEN COMMANDMENTS MONUMENT ON THE GROUNDS OF THE TEXAS CAPITOL. THE CASE IS VAN ORDEN V. PERRY. Look it up. I wprked on this issue in law school while I in training to become a constitutional lawyer, as I am presently.
“…as well as be permitted on GOVERNMENT buildings and property.”
Why not on our government buildings? Our nation itself was founded by men who believed in God, and oriented the liberties and equalities we now share based on their belief.
Whether or not babies are wanted does not change the fact that they are “children”, as above stated by Todd. If we are simply killing for convenience, where does that leave any human? What happens when one becomes “unwanted” or inconvenient? Once we reduce humans to mere items of convenience, there are no boundaries to taking life at any level, at any age.
Even in the strict medical sense, with no morality involved, women should have a right to know what the procedure entails. It’s only fair that any medical patient be informed of what will occur, no matter what the procedure.
PLEASE READ!!! THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!!
I believe we should also have a public acknowledgement of Santa Clause!!! People talk about him all the time and I was raised reading old books about him. Miraculously once a year all the things that I have wished for turn up under a plastic tree in my living room. Get this! One time while i was warming my tortilla, the image of Santa appeared in the tortilla. Now people from all over come to worship my tortilla. I now know that I am special, (Not special like Sarah Palin’s son Trigg) but special like, I chosen over everybody else including you, because I and only I have been chosen by Santa because others get the Virgin Mary in their tortilla, but I got Santa.
Santa Bless America!!!
Statutory rape is illegal based on the age, depending on the state you in. So some states are more immoral than others?
Why is it illegal?
There are people who take the mention of “God” to mean Christian. The same people who claim the US is a Christian country formulated on Christian principles….The irony is that the same people who legislate morality are the same that insist on voting yes on Prop 4.
Todd, every legislative body in America legislates morality. Murder, statutory rape, child pornography, all laws based on morality. Moral premise-it’s wrong to take the life of another person.
Todd, every legislative body in America legislates morality. Murder, statutory rape, child pornography, all laws based on morality. Moral premise-it’s wrong to take the life of another person. Even liberals legislative morality.
Todd, every legislative body in America legislates morality. Murder, statutory rape, child pornography, all laws based on morality. Moral premise-it’s wrong to take the life of another person. Even liberals legislative morality. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
To Annon, these are Republican propositions to be put to those individuals voting in the Republican primary. One did not have to be a Republican to vote on these prop’s. If a Democratic wanted to vote on them they had only to declare to vote Republican in Tuesday’s joint Democratic/Republican primaries. Then in the General Election, Nov. 2nd, they can declare to vote Democratic and support their party. In general I would like to say, there was much confusion concerning these propositions. Voter’s were not fully aware that this were non-binding propositions. They were basically an exit poll.
Zach,
If you think is equal to Santa Claus, you are in for a rude awakening!!!!!
So first you say “you may believe that “fill-in-the-blank” is moral…but it’s illegal” but then you make the argument and state that these are illegal and we legislate morality. By saying, “you may believe”, you kind of make the point that morality is subjective, which it is. We didn’t make them illegal because they are immoral. We made them illegal because it causes unnecessary harm to others, invades privacy, etc. Not because they are immoral. I DO BELIEVE they are immoral, by the way. But I don’t believe that women should have to undergo sonograms before abortions.
An abortion causes unnecessary harm to another human being, the baby in the womb. What’s the difference?
4 can not be passed so it’s irrelivant, some parts are ok but other parts are unconstitutional and there is plenty of cases that will strike it down. 5 is way too costly and irrelivant.
In response to the above Drew Goodman’s comment on Proposition 4, he needs to look at the second clause of the first amendment in the Constitution. It says congress shall make no prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
In response to the above Drew Goodman’s comment on Proposition 4, he needs to look at the second clause of the first amendment in the Constitution. It says congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
#4 is a waste of time/energy as is anything that simply encourages bias. Beside there are important issues out there.
It passed, overwhelmingly. The people and voters of Texas have spoken loud and clear.
At the risk of sounding uninformed, what is the difference between Texas Primary & General election since the deadline for primary reg past already?
Religion and greed is the root of all evil. Vote yes for sanity.
What do you mean if it passes. All of them will pass with flying colors. It is time we took back our country from the communist liberals who think we should work and give them money.
What is the point of passing prop 4 if it will end up being repealed later. Lets face it, teens these days and 20 somethings do not believe it God any more. The church population is dwindling, and as prop 4 may pass, by the time these 20 somethings and teens become the leaders of this nation, they will surly repeal it. Lets concentrate on more positive things like finding a way to raise teachers pay, or gay rights.. Geezs
Rico, i am sorry you are so out of touch with Texas and America. The church population continues to grow and young people are leaading the charge. Homosexual marriage continues to get rejected at the ballot box by more and more states. Just today, even President Obama filed court documents to protect the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), a federal law that defines marriage as one man, one woman.
Wasnt there already a Prop 4 that allowed “God” in public schools and gov buildings? Didnt it win by the majority back then? Why do we have to vote on it again?
We don’t. This vote was taken in March. There are no statewide propositions on the November 2010 ballot. There may be local proposition on local issues.
Yes on Prop 4. Allah is GREAT. The greatest god is Allah! Can’t wait to have the kids bow to Islam during school prayer
This is why Prop 4 is such a waste of ballot space. At the end of the day, it means zero and does nothing but create problems, not solve them.
Your opinion. And we all have an opinion and that’s why we all have one vote and the majority of voters decide.
Candi says it would be against separation of church and state. We do not have a separation of church and state. Have you gotten married lately. Whenever government gets involved in anything they make matters far worse. Everything they touch, turns to crap. No thank you. I want less alot less government. They took a godly thing and managed a way to make a buck off of it. The whole system is corrupt from the top to the bottom. Want to cure our problems. Outlaw attorneys from running for public office and that includes judges. They do not have a trucker or engineer or pilot running the transportation office so they cannot scream foul for lack of legal experience. The constitution of the USA and of Texas is simple and too the point. The 10 comandments are simple and too the point. Candi, you know how many laws we have on the books right now, try over 40 million. You can’t breath without breaking someones ordinance. Enough is enough. You need to look up the diffenetion of communism. Hope this helps you. “GOD BLESS” No Affence.
Holy cr@p, I’ve never seen such a bunch of pro-Conservative nonsense on a ballot before in my life. What ever happened to the GOP that was interested in “limited government” and not out to “legislate morality”?
Vote NO on every one of these nonsense “initiatives”.
Laws against murder is an example of “legislating morality”. Should we abolish laws against murder? Other examples, theft, embezzlement, perjury, etc.
Amen to Prop 4 – we’d better get this right America or we will answer to a Mighty God. Our children are our future leaders and if we try to pretend he doesn’t exist we are only hurting ourselves, our children and our nation! Our founding fathers intended for us to include him, that is what the Constitution is based on, HELLO!
It’s pandering to the extreme right and satisfy their abhorrence of anything perceived to be unchristian, as if there weren’t bigger fish to fry.
to become a citizen of our country, join the military and even hold a public office, you have to say an oath for all 3 situations and all 3 have the words, “so help me god” vote yes.
This if for candi and all you people that have no idea about the constitution except what you hear from your liberal mentors. Orginally Madison and Jefferson argued whether this we even necessary in the constitution due to the fact the states had the individual right to determine this issue for themselves. Jefferson argued that congress could abuse the laws if they were kept in check with specific words that bound them from doing such. In there time there was really in their minds “Christanity” though it took many forms with the Cathlic, Prespaterian, and so on… England had established that Catholism was to be the national religion and so they put in there that Congress could not establish a religion or make no laws prohibiting the free practice of any religion. No where in there did it say and no where in historical information does it say that there is a seperation between church and state. This was established by liberal controled courts that mostly made up of atheist. We have stood by to long silently and let the liberals destroy what this country stands for. Christians need to stand up and be counted!!!!
Yes to prop 4.
If you don’t believe in God, you better be right!!!!!
This is merely an attempt to inform all of those who have been convinced our country was founded on the Christian values evangelical conservatives have been proclaiming, but really was not. The men who wrote our Declaration of Independence and Constitution were at best Deist’s who believed in a supreme being, and some, but not all, acknowledged that being may be the God Christians believe in.
Thomas Jefferson’s own version of the Bible which he called, “The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth”, remains perhaps the most comprehensive expression of the third president and principal author of the Declaration of Independence found ethically interesting about the Gospels and their depiction of Jesus. He is quoted saying, “I have performed the operation for my own use, by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter, which is evidently His and which is as easily distinguished as diamonds in a dunghill.”
Benjamin Franklin is quoted saying, “As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his divinity”
Even the 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was “in no sense founded on the Christian religion”. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.
Sorry, but most of the people who founded our country were running away from the religious tyranny that was so rampant in Europe during that time, but is gaining steam in America now at a terrifying pace.
You have no evidence that Washington signed this treaty or ever saw these words, as this happened after he was no longer president. Where’s your proof?
Linda that comes across as a threat….this is my point.
The mention of God in the oath makes no distinction over which God you refer. The oath is to the country, God is included to satisfy someones need for biblical affirmation. It’s not necessary, if peoples words mattered, they should not be scared if they lead honest lives.
Some people need the threat of eternal damnation (an unprovable notion) to live a lawful and constructive life, while respecting their fellow man. Others use it as a facade to shield them from their own unscrupoulous activities.
I wish we did not have to contand with this topic during election time as it does nothing but divert attention to real problems that affect everyone.
Todd, this issue of God and public life is obviously an important issue, that is why you spend so much time talking about it in your comments to this blog. Your actions contradict your opinion.
How has the Constitutional ‘separation of church and state’ become so mis-understood and messed up?
It was written to prevent the state, the government, from dictating what religion would be practiced by the citizenship.
It never had anything to do with dis-allowing religion in government, dis-allowing display of religious texts, images, or acts in public.
And most importantly, does not provide for prohibition of any religious act or display. We have this issue due to liberals and atheists complaining and getting laws passed to prevent our First Amendment Rights.
How did it get so up-side down?
Jonathan, you are right when saying Washington did not sign the treaty. I said it was written under his presidency and signed under the Adams presidency. John Adams is considered one of the founding fathers of the United States. The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli was read aloud to the assembly, therefore, John Adams would have known that “in no sense founded on the Christian religion” was written in the Treaty.
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Im assuming since you did not say anything about the quotes of the other two founding fathers (Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson) you are in agreeance with me in stating they did not assert the U.S. was a Christian nation, and I thank you for your support.
Vote NO on prop 4 AND 5!! I’ll let you people in a little secret…..there is no god!! Good grief you people are dense! Stop pushing your ‘god’ on people who put away childish things when they grew up! Maybe we should have Santa Claus on the ballot as well!
Wow Anita, i didn’t realize that you took such a hostile position against the writing of professors and academic experts that have been writing about God and Jesus for centuries. Seriously, what background of study and proof do you have? Please back up your claim and show proof that God doesn’t exist and that Jesus doesn’t exist. Please refute all the great writings and teachings of intelligent people, including scientists, for centuries that have spent years of study and have come to the conclusion that they cannot prove that God doesn’t exist.
Jonathan, you also have no real proof of god or Jesus…..unless you count that edited novel called the bible…..
I guess we also have no proof that George Washington lived and that Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, other than that edited document called the Declaration of Independence.
Did Columbus really exist? What about the Civil War? Did that really happen?
I believe that “God” and religion were created by man to keep people in order and give them guidelines for living a life that may better society rather than destroy it. However, taking “God” and “Jesus” out of the public domain is simply an insult to the history of humans. Sure, in years time we will all realize that it was all made up; maybe we will still be able to appreciate the intentions of our ancestors?
And no Jonathan, laws against murder are not “legislating morality”. It is legislating order. “Legislating morality” means making laws against that which the majority deems “immoral” when the actions in and of itself are not a threat to order. The state doesn’t outlaw murder JUST because murder is “wrong”. It outlaws it because if murder if left unchecked society would be in chaos and disorder.
If you are going to put up the Ten Commandments…you need to put Koran teachings…Hindu teachings….Buddhist…Confucianism…you can’t just honor Judea-Christian beliefs…not everyone is a Christan (that isn’t a bad thing either).
Was our government and law based on the Koran. Can you show me what historical document shows that the Founding Fathers relied on the Koran when writing the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution? We want to be historically accurate don’t we? Has there ever been a court case or writer that has said that the United States was founded on Islam or Buddhist teachings?
So if God is scientifically proven to not exist, does that mean the United States does not exist either?
The founding fathers lacked the knowledge of the spirituality of the entire world but had the foresight to exclude identifying a state sponsored religion.
How can their intent be argued in the present day?
@jonathansaenz, of the ten commandments how many of those are laws?
ONE: ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.’
Well that sure as hell is not a law. Separation of church and state covers this. In the Koran also
TWO: ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’
??? That sure isn’t in the constitution. Pretty sure it’s in the Koran also
THREE: ‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.’
found no where in law. Found in the Koran though.
FOUR: ‘Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.’
Again found no where in law. Similar types of rituals found in the Koran.
FIVE: ‘Honor your father and your mother.’
Seriously? this is getting repetitive.
SIX: ‘You shall not murder.’
DINGDINGDING we have a winner!!! but fairly obvious and found in the Koran also.
SEVEN: ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
No law against that. Also in the Koran
EIGHT: ‘You shall not steal.’
DINGDINGDING. Obvious and in Koran
NINE: ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.’
Can’t lie under oath but still nothing in law about this.
TEN: ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.
Can’t be jealous? well that sure isn’t against the law.
Ok where is this basing of government off of the bible? I mean if the Constitution was truly based off the bible you would figure that more than 1:5 ratio would be attained…
The Bible talks about the Ten Commandments and many other things. You are aware that there is more in the Bible than just the Ten Commandments, correct?
Where is the proof that the Founding Fathers used the Koran as a basis for our country? That’s the difference. Please, tell me why this is such a big deal to you? If you don’t believe it, than just let it go.
I’m all for limiting government( props 2 and 3) but am I the only one that sees that prop 4 is a clear violation of the 1st amendment? Separation of church and state. Did anyone else pay attention in government class?
And in regards the prop 5: is guilt tripping a pregnant woman into having a baby she’s not ready for, really a good idea?
if one really paid attention in government class, they would have noticed that the first amendment says congress shall make no law establishing a religion nor prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Too often people stop after the establishment clause in the first amendment, but there’s more. read it all!